ερωτηση για εμπειρους χομπιστες με αφρικανες

[iliaskeles]

γεια σας φιλοι μου θα ηθελα να σας κανω μια ερωτηση εχω στησει ενα 250 λιτρο για εναν φιλο και επειδη του αρεσουν πολυ τα χρωματα και δεν θελει να βαλει pseudotrofeus μπορει να βαλει διαφορες αφρικανες οπωσ labido venustus και διαφορα αλλα μονο ομως αρσενικα για να μην σκοτωνονται γιατι δεν θελει θυληκα και χαρεμια να βαλει.θα ηθελα σιγουρη απαντηση για να μην τα βαλω και σκοτωνονται γιατι εχω ακουσει οτι γινετε και ποσσα μπορει να βαλει?ψαχνω αμεσα γιατι το νερο του ειναι στρωμενο ειδη και ψαχνω αμεσα να του βρω και ψαρια οποιος εχει διαφορα και μπορει να προτεινει και να βοηθηση απο αθηνα θα περασουμε να διαλεξουμε να αγορασουμε.ευχαριστω

[Κωστας Malawi]

γιατι αμα εχει χαρεμια δεν θα εχει χρωματα??

εγω το εχω all male ας πουμε και θελω να κανω μεγαλυτερο για να κανω χαρεμια..

και ποσα θελει να βαλει στα 250 λιτρα??η σφαγη ειναι σιγουρη αν διαλεξει μονο αρσενικα και ειναι και παρομοια χρωματα..εγω θα ελεγα να βαλει 1 χαρεμι acei και ενα labido..

οσο για το venustus που γραφεις απλα ξεχαστε το μαζι με mbuna..οποιο χωραει στο στομα του θα το καταπινει και μεγαλωνει με 3πλασιο ρυθμο απο τα αλλα..

[Κλεόβουλος]

Τι διαστάσεις έχει το ενυδρείο?
Το ενυδρεία στρατώνας δεν αποτρέπει τους σκοτωμούς. Αυτό γίνεται με σωστά χαρέμια και συμβατούς συγκάτοικους.
Υπάρχουν είδη που έχουν όμορφα χρώματα και τα 2 φύλα.
Σωστή επιλογή ψαριών λοιπόν είναι το βασικό ;).

[iliaskeles]

ευχαριστω για τισ πληροφοριες

[PETROS_AFRICANOS]

Πιστεύω να μην ήρθες πάλι για να διαλέγεις χρώματα σαν να διαλέγεις πουκάμισα σε πολύ ''καλές'' τιμές εννοείτε,ούτε να διαννοηθείς να ζητήσεις aulonocara εκτός από aulonocara marble peacock όπως έκανες σε άλλο φόρουμ γιατί το κράξιμο δεν θα το γλιτώσεις.
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Επειδή ξέρω ότι σου αρέσει το μπλε και το κίτρινο θα σου προτείνω να βάλεις κάποιες.
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Καλή επιτυχία και να το ευχαριστηθείς.Όταν το στήσεις κάτσε βράδυ με τα φώτα του ενυδρείου αναμένα να δεις πόσο απολαμβάνουν την συγκατοίκηση.Αν αρχίσουν το ''καμάκι'' μην τρομάξεις,βάλε το επόμενο τραγούδι να παίζει.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08m5bJ6jlPw

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Πέτρο να ξεκαθαρίσουμε λίγο την πρόταση σου γιατί περιέχει προβλήματα :)
(Αν και ο φίλος δεν μας είπε διαστάσεις του ενυδρείου).
Τα M.auratus δύσκολα να μπουν με άλλο είδος σ' αυτά τα λίτρα (ποτέ με άλλο είδος που είναι πιο "ήσυχο" ή μοιάζει έστω και λίγο χρωματικά όπως τα maingano). Τα δε demasoni το καλύτερο είναι να μπαίνουν σε ομάδα 10-12 ατόμων εκ των οποίων 1-2 αρσενικά.
Αν το ενυδρείο έχει μήκος μέχρι 1 μέτρο τότε προτείνω ένα χαρέμι(1+4) mbuna όπως Labidochromis, Ps.maingano, Ps.saulosi, Ps.Hongi, C.afra κλπ
Αν έχει μήκος 1,20 τουλ. τότε άνετα 2 χαρέμια από 2 συμβατά είδη mbuna όπως
πχ Labidochromis+Ps.maingano....

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ευχαριστω για τισ απαντισεις σας και για το χρονο σας